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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 15:38:35 +0200
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testing
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testing@blahaj.zone
some serious criticism of mastodon:
https://blog.bloonface.com/2023/06/12/why-did-the-twittermigration-fail/
@fediversenews@venera.social
#mastodon
#twittermigration
#fediverse
#discoverability
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:11:28 +0200
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Jeremy Dyer
jeremyrdyer@mastodon.sdf.org
@testing
@fediversenews
Interesting read, though I don't fully agree with it. I came over in the
#TwitterMigration
and right now
#Mastodon
fits my needs better than Twitter did for casual browsing. The only catch was onboarding: it works great once you've got enough follows and hashtags, but there's no guidance at all for setting that up on a fresh account. That's really the only thing that keeps me from recommending it to my low-tech friends.
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:19:32 +0200
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hubzillar
hubzillar@tiksi.net
Valid points. Fortunately there are other parts of fediverse; please consider hubzilla! :)
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Dr. Juande Santander-Vela
Carlos Solís
Shimriez
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:21:30 +0200
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testing
testing@blahaj.zone
@hubzillar@tiksi.net
good idea!
zot is such an interesting protocol and damn, it's meta-free!
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:11:10 +0200
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Regezi
Regez@troet.cafe
@jeremyrdyer
Yes, interesting blog post...my technical understanding is slipping at a low level, but if I understand correctly so far, the decentralized server capacities in their current existing funding are not designed for a large mass of participants, perhaps not even for volunteer moderation teams (possibly with different legal knowledge);
I've been openly welcomed here as a Twitter refugee and possibly feel comfortable here because I've viewed it as a fresh start.
@testing
@fediversenews
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:28:18 +0200
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Diane Bruce
Dianora@octodon.social
@jeremyrdyer
@testing
@fediversenews
A few of us have rebutted that piece already. One person didn't like what I had to say and blocked me for it. 🙂 About the only part I agreed with is the web UI but some of the clients make up for it handily. I like IceCubes on IOS for example. Discoverability is all in the hashtags which was a deliberate decision. I still laugh at the time I started getting ads for big heavy farming machinery simply because I chatted with a farmer. That's no on. So on Mastodon one gets to choose to chat mostly with friends or search and be searchable via hashtags or not. When you don't have a twittler bot making sure you buy stuff or get engaged we have to do the work instead. Remember, on commercial social media we are not the customer, we are the product.
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:30:29 +0200
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Jeremy Dyer
jeremyrdyer@mastodon.sdf.org
@Regez
@testing
@fediversenews
The article claimed that the federated model Mastodon uses is less efficient than a single corporate network. This may or may not be true.
Then it claimed that the increase in Mastodon users will require bigger servers. This is true regardless of efficiency.
It concludes that these servers can't pay for themselves without ads or subscriptions, and that's where it jumps the shark for me. The FOSS community has found ways to pay the bills before.
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:31:33 +0200
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Jeremy Dyer
jeremyrdyer@mastodon.sdf.org
@Dianora
@testing
@fediversenews
I've actually been enjoying the mobile website. It just works for me. And the lack of an algorithm is a breath of fresh air!
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:34:43 +0200
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Diane Bruce
Dianora@octodon.social
@jeremyrdyer
@testing
@fediversenews
I think that's why some of the bad reviews. People aren't used to thinking for themselves. *cough* *whistles innocently*
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:40:41 +0200
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Jargoggles
jargoggles@mstdn.social
@jeremyrdyer
@Regez
@testing
@fediversenews
"Less efficient" is besides the point, anyway. It would be more efficient to have just a handful of people who make policy for the entire world.
The majority of people have strongly decided against that kind of "more efficient" model for exactly the same reasons why people are jumping ship from centralized social media platforms.
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:41:53 +0200
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Cary
crenquis@mstdn.io
@Dianora
@jeremyrdyer
@testing
@fediversenews
FYI:
Elk
@elk
is a nice web interface.
https://elk.zone/m.webtoo.ls/public/local
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:57:42 +0200
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webhat
webhat@infosec.exchange
@testing
@fediversenews
a version of this was posted in ars technica
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out/
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 19:18:17 +0200
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Riley
riley@social.audiovalentine.com
@testing
@fediversenews
at the very least it's nice to see criticism from someone that actually does have a fairly deep understanding instead of bad tech journalists that looked at it for a day or two in late November and walked away with their calcified hot takes.
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:53:30 +0200
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Jeremy Dyer
jeremyrdyer@mastodon.sdf.org
@jargoggles
@Regez
@testing
@fediversenews
Exactly right! A conversation or a democracy isn't the most efficient way to pass a message along, but that's not it's goal.
And I'd debate the server efficiency of the Fediverse vs private social media anyway. We might be making more server calls, but we also don't have to use 13 flavors of useless bloatware on the back end just because they make middle management feel useful. 😉
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:08:50 +0200
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Jeremy Dyer
jeremyrdyer@mastodon.sdf.org
@Dianora
@testing
@fediversenews
That may be a factor. 😉
But as a recent convert, I will say that the change is pretty jarring when you go from a place that curated unlimited content for you (with evil intent) to a place where you decide what you see yourself. It's better in the end, but it's definitely overwhelming at first. If Mastodon could improve the onboarding process, that would go a long way to making it an easier sell to newbies.
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Thu, 29 Jun 2023 22:11:53 +0200
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Diane Bruce
Dianora@octodon.social
@jeremyrdyer
@testing
@fediversenews
The best any of us (who aren't developing it) is to be friendly and helpful to newcomers.
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Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:38:14 +0200
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Jeremy Dyer
jeremyrdyer@mastodon.sdf.org
@Dianora
@testing
@fediversenews
Absolutely. That's one of the things that was really helpful for me when I first came here!
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