Max Kostikov

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

IT voodoo

Местоположение:: Lisbon, Portugal

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 15:22:42 +0200 последнее редактирование: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 15:23:34 +0200

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

Удивительный случай когда российское цензурное ведомство (к слову, цензура у нас запрещена российской Конституцией), пошло на попятную в случае с одним из крупнейших региональных кёнигсбергских интернет-изданий rugrad.eu.
Вы, заметили, что практически со всех новостных сайтов пропали комментарии? Так вот, это причина.
Кстати говоря, любопытно, а что цензоры делают когда для работы с комментариями используются встраиваемые дискуссионные сервисы наподобие того же #Disqus?

Роскомнадзор отказался от иска о блокировке портала Rugrad.eu

На изменение позиции Роскомнадзора могло повлиять разъяснение ФСБ.

#russian #lang_ru #Russia #censorship #freedom #press #putinism #Internet #privacy #law #humanrights

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Fri, 05 Mar 2021 16:03:47 +0200

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

@Flav In Russia Putin built the local version of modern fascist state where you can easily go to jail for a couple of years for the just a post liking in the socials. So there is nothing near to the Western censorship of tolerance.

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 16:59:46 +0200

RockyIII

rocky3@im.allmendenetz.de

@Max Kostikov since i know very little about Russia out of first hand, and my sources are just newspapers, blog and television it´interesting to hear your opinion about Putin and what is going on in Russia.

you are the admin of zotum, right? I guess there are reason why zotum is hosted on a server located in Germany .

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 17:12:43 +0200 последнее редактирование: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 17:14:51 +0200

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

@RockyIII

it´interesting to hear your opinion about Putin and what is going on in Russia

As I wrote above Putin already built the fascist state with all related attributes including repressions, tortures, killing oppositionists, fake news and propaganda like Russia Today channel, destruction of human rights and disregard for the law, de facto cancellation of elections and build on cleprocratic society when top class (about 100 families of Putin's friends and business partners) have everything and completely above the law.

you are the admin of zotum, right? I guess there are reason why zotum is hosted on a server located in Germany .

That's correct in both parts.

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 17:49:55 +0200

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

Ожидаемый ответ на мой вопрос юриста, которая вела, в том числе, и это дело.

Светлана Кузеванова

РКН считает это приемом, доставкой и обменом сообщениями все равно, а значит есть признаки ОРИ. Они очень широко толкуют закон, хотя он напрямую касается только коммуникационных сервисов.

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 22:48:23 +0200

HansWolters

hanswolters@federate.hopto.org

I think Putin also had a legacy of the Kremlin. Seems to fit in with the older leaders.

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 23:09:38 +0200 последнее редактирование: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 23:14:33 +0200

RockyIII

rocky3@im.allmendenetz.de

Max I think you put it right

So there is nothing near to the Western censorship of tolerance.

I wonder how you can bear the situation. Do you live in a city or on the country site Max?

"hate speech" is not just insulting politician, right? It´s a way of thinking and pushing things into just on direction... it´s about not listening but shouting all the time... it´s about creating an unfriendly atmosphere... agitation toward certain groups ... it about dividing people in to groups in the fist place... well - it is about HATE and not LOVE and understanding... lonely wolf who use the internet to howling

Fri, 05 Mar 2021 23:59:42 +0200 последнее редактирование: Sat, 06 Mar 2021 00:03:18 +0200

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

@RockyIII

Do you live in a city or on the country site Max?

In the city with about 500k (800k aglomeration) population.
For me freedom speech is one of basic human right. And no matter share I this point or not. Problems begin when someone decides for you what to love and what to hate, what to tell and what not. This is just a form of discrimination, no matter what the motives are.

Sat, 06 Mar 2021 00:40:21 +0200

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

@Flav

I donated $20 for this hub but I forgot to ask you of you received the payment

Yes, thank you very much. I'll publish financial report after Q1 will be ended.

Sat, 06 Mar 2021 12:43:21 +0200 последнее редактирование: Sat, 06 Mar 2021 14:52:40 +0200

RockyIII

rocky3@im.allmendenetz.de

I feel that the terminus "hate speech" is used indeed by different indentations... But there is something to worry about besides freedom of speech, because Speech is also claiming for physical action, some times...

Your freedom ends at that point when it touches the freedom of your next one... The same respect you claim for your rights you have to approve to others in the same way as well...

Everybody can have different options and has (or should have) the right to express those but there are limits, as well
E.G. there are people who denier that the holocaust has happened... Freedom of speech ends if it turns into ideological propaganda, which is ignoring proven facts, hurting feelings, or even is insulting your counterpart in a unbearable way.

Sat, 06 Mar 2021 15:14:36 +0200 последнее редактирование: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 18:21:51 +0200

RockyIII

rocky3@im.allmendenetz.de

you see @Flav is useing his right of free speech to try to trigger me over and over again calling me lefti and other things.
He can do so very well but at the same time he says i should shout up and give "us" a break and so on... This is what i mean... as long as it is just his speech, not a big deal, but if this kind of speech calls for physical action it is not so funny any more...

The holocaust is for sure not just a subject for Germans... if @Flav does not care he just shows this horizon of thinking. sure he can believe what ever he wants... if he starts telling lies we will ask him not to do so and ask him to explain him self.

Sat, 06 Mar 2021 23:23:24 +0200

HansWolters

hanswolters@federate.hopto.org

Sign of the times to be honest. I see, in the west of Europe, a lot of people making such statements. I will not spend any time on those people, on on those who can be convinced to change their mind.

Sat, 06 Mar 2021 23:56:54 +0200

RockyIII

rocky3@im.allmendenetz.de

@Flav why don´t you get your own hub, and have a party there? Take over responsibly for your self so you don´t have to philosophize about censorship all the time ;-) .

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 10:44:20 +0200 последнее редактирование: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 11:10:55 +0200

Zotum

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Some of comments were removed as offensive and irrelevant to the topic.

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 10:47:37 +0200 последнее редактирование: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 11:02:50 +0200

Max Kostikov

kostikov@zotum.net

@Flav Such style of discussion isn't welcomed on my channel so please try to stay within the bounds of decency.

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 15:25:07 +0200

FourOh-LLC

fouroh-llc@hubzilla.factoryfouroh.net

@Flav One thing that is quarantined that Rocky is going to leave political messages. Get used to it, and pretend that you care. That's what I do when a self-appointed hack demands I fix something entirely beyond my scope and capacity. Especially things which happened in the past. Because these days the political messages are to make you feel quilt about things outside of your control.

Pretend you care and move on whatever your purpose is here on this platform. That's the best you can do, that is the only thing that helps all of us, including Rocky. Help him control his own obsessive focus on politics.

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 15:41:55 +0200

HansWolters

hanswolters@federate.hopto.org

The best thing to do is to simply ignore messages if you do not like them, or simply stop following people. If you feel like you need to answer then think about blocking people if you do not want to see their messages.

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:10:01 +0200

FourOh-LLC

fouroh-llc@hubzilla.factoryfouroh.net

@HansWolters Blocking and ignoring does not really work - that's just a different way to ignore reality. Say it as it is - political messages always backfire, because the only place for political messages is at a political rally. In every other environment they are inflammatory and controversy no matter what the message is, and no matter who sends it.

The challenge is to learn to deal with this so we indeed able to preserve true diversity. I thinks its proper to say that if you cannot function without constantly reflecting on issue from a political angle you have a me-work to do.

I wrote all this as my own me-work, I am trying to find a way to pacify myself and deal with the types of Rocky, Flav and others - without resorting to blocking and ignoring.

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:17:11 +0200

FourOh-LLC

fouroh-llc@hubzilla.factoryfouroh.net

That said - i live in Kane County, Illinois - a deep-blue place. I take great satisfaction watching this deep-blue state going down in flames, sinking deeper and deeper into corruption and debt. I would be very worried if this happened to a conservative state.

There is nothing I can say or do that does a better job explaining REALITY. This is how REALITY works, I do not need to explain a darn thing. REALITY is unforgiving and uncompromising, draw your own conclusions.

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:22:49 +0200

HansWolters

hanswolters@federate.hopto.org

Well, to be honest I think you are wrong. For those who want to talk about politics there should be room enough. Only when people start to annoy it is getting hard and ugly. I have no idea what you mean with deep-blue, I am not from the US. Have fun, I will keep ignoring and blocking people If I do not like them

Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:32:40 +0200

FourOh-LLC

fouroh-llc@hubzilla.factoryfouroh.net

Rocky should take his frequent political messages, take his own advice, open his own hub, and politicize there.

My purpose here is Manufacturing. As soon as I find enough people who are willing to work with me on a shared project - we take our Manufacturing scope, move it to its own hub, and we are not going to invite or allow entrance to anyone not interested in Manufacturing.

However - do you find my manufacturing-related messages as annoying and irrelevant as Rocky's political messages? Some people suggested I am on the wrong forum here, because nobody understands what my FourOh-LLC manufacturing association is all about.

Maybe the rest of us, trying to keep political hacks at bay are on the wrong forum. Who knows..